Comments on: When Can You Begin Defensive Training? http://www.germanshepherd-breed.org/schutzhund-training/when-can-you-begin-defensive-training/ German Shepherd Breed Information Sun, 05 Sep 2010 22:35:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Martin http://www.germanshepherd-breed.org/schutzhund-training/when-can-you-begin-defensive-training/comment-page-1/#comment-17 Martin Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:03:05 +0000 http://www.germanshepherd-breed.org/schutzhund-training/when-can-you-begin-defensive-training/#comment-17 Great News about the upcoming litter Arindam. As you (If I read your profile correctly) are in India, I'd like to know a few details about your selling options, as I'm sure my readership would also like to know: <ul> <li><b>Shipping rate to USA (for the readership of this site who live in my country)?</b></li> <li><b>Is price different for "show line" vs. "working line" lineage?</b></li> <li><b>Basic prices for pups?</b></li> <li><b>What age (hopefully over 8 weeks :) are they available? I prefer <a href="http://www.germanshepherd-breed.org/gsd-questions-and-answers/" title="Age for pups to be released" rel="nofollow">10/12 weeks</a>...</b></li> <li><b>Do you have any juvenile or adult dogs for sale?</b></li> <li><b>Can I assume the genetic traits on your dogs to be useful for protection/defensive training (I want a schutzhund III on my next GSD)?</b></li> </ul> Thanks for your reply in advance. I know of trainers who've used <a href="http://leerburg.com/tabletrain.htm" title="table training, and Ed's response" rel="nofollow">table training</a> on soft dogs/dogs without the genetics required - making them <em><i>very sharp</i></em>. And very sharp dogs (due to bad training) will revert back to genetics when faced with a "fight or flight" situation. So now you have a sharp dog that is unstable around people, and will run away if the defense pressure is too great on them (unless they are forced into it, as with table training). The reason why heavy handed training <i>does seem to work</i> is because you <em>do get results on the training field</em> - a dog acting in what appears to be fight drive. But poor dogs, as they are ruined... Now, with a good lineage (working bloodlines) and responsible training, defensive training is necessary for protection training/sport training on our dogs. We as handlers just need to be responsible about the lives of our dogs. Great News about the upcoming litter Arindam. As you (If I read your profile correctly) are in India, I’d like to know a few details about your selling options, as I’m sure my readership would also like to know:

  • Shipping rate to USA (for the readership of this site who live in my country)?
  • Is price different for “show line” vs. “working line” lineage?
  • Basic prices for pups?
  • What age (hopefully over 8 weeks :) are they available? I prefer 10/12 weeks…
  • Do you have any juvenile or adult dogs for sale?
  • Can I assume the genetic traits on your dogs to be useful for protection/defensive training (I want a schutzhund III on my next GSD)?

Thanks for your reply in advance.

I know of trainers who’ve used table training on soft dogs/dogs without the genetics required – making them very sharp. And very sharp dogs (due to bad training) will revert back to genetics when faced with a “fight or flight” situation. So now you have a sharp dog that is unstable around people, and will run away if the defense pressure is too great on them (unless they are forced into it, as with table training).

The reason why heavy handed training does seem to work is because you do get results on the training field – a dog acting in what appears to be fight drive. But poor dogs, as they are ruined…

Now, with a good lineage (working bloodlines) and responsible training, defensive training is necessary for protection training/sport training on our dogs. We as handlers just need to be responsible about the lives of our dogs.

]]> By: Arindam Ghosh http://www.germanshepherd-breed.org/schutzhund-training/when-can-you-begin-defensive-training/comment-page-1/#comment-16 Arindam Ghosh Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:22:16 +0000 http://www.germanshepherd-breed.org/schutzhund-training/when-can-you-begin-defensive-training/#comment-16 Yes Martin, that's very true. Dog training is both a scientific art and an artistic science. Learning dog training is not completed if I master the art without the science or vice versa. 90% of trainers, I have seen are not able enough to say if a dog has that GENETIC TRAITS that make it real defense dog. Simply trying to put the dog into a defense training session may spoil it -- they don't understand that. Anyway, I sale show dogs -- but do not actually put emphasize on dog business. I just keep them, maintain them , study them and breed them(occasionally). But I can assure you that I can provide you with good lineage, with desirable GSD instincts. I sale them at cheaper rate, because it's not a full fledged business. Hopefully I'll be coming up with a good liter after 9 months. Thanx Take care Yes Martin, that’s very true. Dog training is both a scientific art and an artistic science. Learning dog training is not completed if I master the art without the science or vice versa. 90% of trainers, I have seen are not able enough to say if a dog has that GENETIC TRAITS that make it real defense dog. Simply trying to put the dog into a defense training session may spoil it — they don’t understand that.

Anyway, I sale show dogs — but do not actually put emphasize on dog business. I just keep them, maintain them , study them and breed them(occasionally). But I can assure you that I can provide you with good lineage, with desirable GSD instincts. I sale them at cheaper rate, because it’s not a full fledged business. Hopefully I’ll be coming up with a good liter after 9 months.

Thanx
Take care

]]> By: Martin http://www.germanshepherd-breed.org/schutzhund-training/when-can-you-begin-defensive-training/comment-page-1/#comment-15 Martin Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:37:17 +0000 http://www.germanshepherd-breed.org/schutzhund-training/when-can-you-begin-defensive-training/#comment-15 Hello Arindam, Yes, I have <b>bolded</b> a few of the statements I've made on this post. I actually will be completing the entire article within the week (hopefully). And I have heard of too many dogs being ruined as well by over-zealous owners who don't have access to "good" trainers or clubs, and do the backyard training with their buddies on the dogs they have...not caring or even knowing if their dogs have the genetics capable of defensive work to begin with. By the way, great site you have! Martin Hello Arindam,

Yes, I have bolded a few of the statements I’ve made on this post. I actually will be completing the entire article within the week (hopefully).

And I have heard of too many dogs being ruined as well by over-zealous owners who don’t have access to “good” trainers or clubs, and do the backyard training with their buddies on the dogs they have…not caring or even knowing if their dogs have the genetics capable of defensive work to begin with.

By the way, great site you have!

Martin

]]> By: Arindam Ghosh http://www.germanshepherd-breed.org/schutzhund-training/when-can-you-begin-defensive-training/comment-page-1/#comment-14 Arindam Ghosh Sun, 17 Feb 2008 07:03:33 +0000 http://www.germanshepherd-breed.org/schutzhund-training/when-can-you-begin-defensive-training/#comment-14 Hey! That's an awesome post -- I must say. You have started off this post with something that should be kept in the fore front of mind of dog owners -- especially novice ones. I have repeatedly told many fellow dog owners not to start defense and protection training in so early stage. They do that and spoil their dogs. Can you please bold the first sentence of this post?? Hey! That’s an awesome post — I must say. You have started off this post with something that should be kept in the fore front of mind of dog owners — especially novice ones. I have repeatedly told many fellow dog owners not to start defense and protection training in so early stage. They do that and spoil their dogs.

Can you please bold the first sentence of this post??

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